[Music] hi friends welcome back to another episode of the Auto Accident Attorneys Podcast i'm your host Attorney Ali as always the podcast is sponsored by the Auto Accident Attorneys Group where we take care of you today I've got my co-host and sister attorney Holly Cole that's me and one of our oldest and closest friends not only a very close family friend but also a client a former client of the auto accident attorneys group Miss Sormet Golin hello everybody beautiful Sor can't wait to get into your story and the purpose of having you on the podcast today it was actually attorney Holly's brilliant idea of saying "Hey you know what might be helpful is if we have somebody as a guest that's gone through the process with the auto accident attorneys group to not just talk about what the process with the firm was like but also some of the subjective things that you had gone through from your accident and things that maybe you had never thought that you would have to deal with um I've described on a a prior episode about how an auto accident is traumatic mentally simply because you're you're not expecting it and you do it all the time so you always feel like you're in control and when that one time something happens immediately you feel like you're completely out of control and it kind of like shocks your world and hopefully most people never have to experience it but it is a very very common incident so I am looking forward to diving into questions that I never even asked you well thank you guys for having me i'm excited to be here um Holly and I just casually as friends were having a conversation about my experience um just my car accident in general and then my whole thought process and we were like you know what this is some good info to just share with people because you know one key factor was right after my car accident or just pretty much anytime I've been in a car accident I immediately just I wanted to stay away from insurance and attorneys yes where does that come from you know I think it was just like growing up and um not being fully educated on the process of a car accident you know they tell you take photos and get the police report and blah blah blah blah blah but one thing I know about insurance companies is any little minor dent speeding ticket whatever it is if you are ever in touch with your insurance company your premium's going to go up and so I just you know not really thinking so forward i was just more so focused on like well I don't I don't want my premium to go up i like I already pay a lot in insurance so I don't want to I felt like I was getting in trouble anytime I was relying on my insurance to do whatever I needed them to do that's so real yeah and which is crazy cuz it's insurance that's what you pay them for i'm you guys are supposed to help me and I'm not supposed to be reprimanded for it but that's just pretty much what I've always gathered from dealing with my insurance company and what about the attorney side that was just plain ignorance just being uneducated and not knowing also I I guess I just didn't understand the process again of like you get into this car accident and you seek medical treatment also at the time I did have health insurance but um I didn't understand how health insurance worked either so to me it's like okay well I've got to deal with whatever cost is going to come from my car insurance deal with whatever cost I have with the medical bills and now I got to pay an attorney not knowing how it all just kind of like comes together at the end and like the the payments and all that stuff so I remember when I got into my car accident it it caught me off guard i was on the highway stand still and I hear this giant boom and then two more booms after that and my car is shaking and I honestly not to be dramatic I thought a bomb went off cuz I was like "What's happening it's loud it's really really loud it's louder than you'd think." Yeah and so I I realized like my head also cocked back and forth about six seven times cuz it it was a one two three four believe it was a four or five car collision uh the car in front of me fled they they got out they made sure I was okay nothing happened to their car and they dipped out so essentially I'm like at the front car behind me is a Jeep um so it was it was an SUV and I get out and I see everything by the grace of God I'm okay i just had a couple scratches around my neck from the seat belt so I wasn't thinking anything of it and in my mind I was just like "Okay I'm good i'm fine physically when you say I'm fine and I think I know exactly where your brain was going you're not missing a limb you're not bleeding out so when you say I'm fine that's that's what you mean because that statement right there you say that to the insurance company it's done yeah just got a little scratchy scratch we're good to go i'm fine again not knowing what to follow after all of this and so I was actually on my way to pick up something for work so I carried on with my day but as the day progressed I mean I was just out of it my body starts like aching tensing up and like even the the guy that I was working with at the time he just kind of looked at me and he was like "Um are you okay like do you want to go leave?" And I was like "Forget who I was texting at the time." And they were like "You should just go to urgent care just go to urgent care really quick get a checkup." So I went to urgent care and they recommended I go to a medical clinic or an ortho clinic and I went there i'm explaining my situation to the guy and he looks at me he goes "You should get an attorney." I was like "No I'm okay i don't want to." He's like "No you should get an attorney." I mean it was like a solid back and forth for at least three minutes cuz I'm just like "I don't want an attorney." Like I don't want one and um I don't want to deal with it and he was just like I'm telling you to get an attorney i'm going to pause right there because I and I wanted to say this earlier when you were talking about hiring an attorney and you're going through all these thoughts of what's insurance going to cover what's health insurance going to cover what's the attorney cost i think if you've never been through this process before the idea of hiring an attorney is not only like oh what's that going to cost but also you're thinking this is an overwhelming process if you've never done it you don't even know where to begin mh and so it's like you're missing out on this opportunity to seek justice and to seek compensation only because it's something you've never done before and you're afraid of what the outcome is going to look like and and what's wild is that I think that plaintiff's attorneys don't do a very good job of expressing what the service is because when you think about it you know this now because you've gone through the process but when you think about it the entire it's a support system really it doesn't make things more difficult it makes things easier and we do a really poor job at expressing that to people not there's no upfront cost it's not out of pocket and and all of the entire infrastructure of the law firm is meant to support you through this process to make you whole again 100% yeah and I think people have a hard time because really all it takes is picking up the phone or submitting an online inquiry but I think people get overwhelmed because there's also a lot of options out there yeah and I don't know where this what you're about to say but I'm like lucky for you yeah you had I'm so curious about how actually Oh so do you remember how I got connected to you i don't remember so um Frankie shout out to Frankie probably the only positive thing he's ever contributed to my life he's I I don't even know how he knew about the accident i think my brother probably told him now my favorite thing about this let me just kind of give you a little more backstory and told my brother about the car accident and he was just like "Ah you'll be fine." Like another reason why I'm like "Oh I'm fine guys." Like and my family what is that Persian meme that's like American families are like "Are you okay?" And Persian families are like "You are okay." Yeah that's like literally Yeah i got just you know mixed up a bit so that's you know again and and I think because it was you and obviously you know family history and all that stuff I was just like "All right well I've got to be in good hands." Like I'm You felt more comfortable yeah you also told me that like if I didn't you know work with you your children would never go to college just so I've never been very good at sales very just matter of fact again I appreciate it worked yeah it did clearly I'm sitting there now just Well I have I have another story way after this for you guys because I did think about your kids when I when the Chick-fil-A pole hit me uh it jumped out of nowhere huh we'll get there i I remember just from there got on the phone with you and you you were again very matterof fact about everything like don't worry too much about the legal process just seek the medical help that you need and I remember throughout the entire process I would check in with him and I would be like are we sure this is okay like I feel like I'm really running but I was in excruciating pain i have to make note of that i realized I found out soon after I was concussed um my jaw was misaligned from the cocking back and forth um and because I have scoliosis I mean my back was jacked up there for a solid six seven eight months i mean I was in fetal position i couldn't stand i couldn't sit i was seeking every form of treatment you can imagine so this is important because this is the same person you you're the same person that had this used the words right after the accident you had a couple scratches on your neck and you're like "Oh I'm fine." And then as time progresses all of these things are going on yeah no exactly and it's like what is it what's it called like uh not referred pain it's um deferred like when it happens like days later like it just that's Yeah so that's pretty much what I and that's when I learned and it made me reflect on all of my other accidents that I had been in um and just been like dang man like had I known what I know now I could have at least not even for for the payout aspect of it but like literally just seeking health the medical health you know like making sure that like my spine is okay and things like that um so I mean again it was like a I was in PT in therapy I think for a solid year and a half wow doing like outpatient surgeries things like that um and not much was working until you know I finally locked down the right orthopedic and the right physical therapy or physical therapist and um you know I feel like we got to a place where I was like this is as good as it's probably going to get you know the the interesting thing I'd like to talk about uh I don't know if you were keeping up with tort reform in Georgia did you hear about it at all this year holly and I Holly educated me so one of the things going on with tort reform the insurance companies get upset they say that we just talked about your accident and everything that you actually felt and went through right you're confused about the auto insurance process you're sort of confused about what health insurance is like you didn't want to use an attorney when you're injured you're also you're not a medical professional you don't know exactly where to go insurance companies harp on the fact when lawyers or law firms will refer either a specific doctor or a a specialty a specific doctor I can understand because there there could possibly be some sort of deal going on be like "Oh you should always go to this doctor." Which is not good but as far as being like if if your shoulder hurts most people don't know if it's a shoulder I should see an orthopedist you know if it's my neck I should go to like a a chiropractor or pain management specialist so it's a huge deal that insurance companies make about law firms referring patients to medical clinics but without that information patients don't really know where to go exact and again I'm very fortunate that like I have a brother in the medical field so at the first spot that I was at he kind of told me he wasn't like a huge fan and then you know after months of being there and not seeing any progress with anything um it was just like referral after referral he's just kind of telling me where to go and I'm at this point I'm like I'm learning I'm also learning what kind of doctors to trust um but yeah no that's a good point people don't know they don't know that like it's again my first thought was urgent care like which not a bad place to start they referred me somewhere but yeah it you got to really know like one to see a chiropractor one when one to see a physical therapist one to go to the orthopedic one to go to I don't know whatever else is out there it's one of the purposes behind this podcast for consumers is to get this sort of information out we haven't had a topic about medical uh injury symptoms on what type of medical provider to go to the information that we always put on podcast is information that people typically don't have and this is one of those things where but for the attorney telling you about the different types of therapies and modalities of treatment you might not know i think it's I think it's a big deal i don't know how the tort reform issue is going to play out um one of the things that I've been tossing around in my mind actually I I texted you about this earlier Holly was creating a map on our website with based on geography and then split down on uh medical specialties so that but there's no nobody's paying to be on it we don't have any relationships with anyone it's just literally all the types of doctors and then you could go to that map type in your symptom and then it tells you what kind of doctor and then you based on where you live you can go and choose your own so that becomes a resource for the client without us having to tell the client be like this is cuz there I will say you had shared we edited out but you had shared when you were in urgent care they had referred you to a particular clinic unfortunately there's a lot of that going on in the medical field um they're called runners and cappers and some of the biggest cases never make it we spend a ton of money on Google and most of the cases never even make it to the point of going onto Google to search for an attorney because while they're in the ER or urgent care they got scooped up by a runner mhm so it's there is some uh there are unscrupulous players in there and unfortunately this tort reform that Georgia passed did nothing to change any of that i can't say that they're not beneficial because at the end of the day they're at least putting a patient in touch with a law firm now the type of law firm that's using that is probably not going to be the type of law firm that has your best interest in mind but it's better than not having a law firm in my opinion uh I I don't see any benefit of going against the insurance company without representation to that point actually let me see if I can get you to ask me the question one of the things that you said about uh an attorney was the cost right so you've gone through it now and you know that it's it's a contingency fee and the whole point is so that you get a compensatory check at the end mhm one of the things that even people that understand that the attorney's fees are contingency fee based that they don't have to be paid out of pocket one misconception that they have is that their case has X value with or without an attorney so when they have that perspective that's why they think about the percentages because they're like if if it's going to be $100,000 regardless of representation I don't want to give you 33% let me go find somebody that I could give 25% to being involved in an accident where I am getting an attorney involved as well and it also being you I didn't even think to like shop around or whatever i was just kind of like I trust him like it is what it is and I I didn't even have any idea of what I could walk out with so for me it it really wasn't even a matter of the payout like I said it was just I was really following the guidance of people I consider to be my older brothers you know what I mean and like between the doctor Frankie you everybody just being like "This is a case you need an attorney for." I was just like "Okay well everybody keeps telling me this." So whatever the whatever again whatever the percentage fee whatever I walk out with like that was kind of irrelevant to me it was more so about like having the guidance um especially after I found out like of all of my injuries I was just like cuz another thing too just want to kind of sidebar i was um I never knew that leans were a thing like I always thought that you pay everything upfront you know what I mean so I had no idea and you educated me on that you were like "Don't worry about paying for things like it's all going to basically stack up and we'll deal with it at the end." So with that I was just like "All right well yeah I need I need big boss to figure this out for me i don't want to deal with the payouts and insurance in particular and that's a huge thing is I think there's two big aspects of a personal injury case obviously your medical treatment which you've already indicated like was invaluable and even though it didn't necessarily get you back to like 100% if you hadn't gotten that treatment God knows how you would be feeling right now and then the second aspect is dealing with the insurance dealing with those medical bills that do pile up and then ultimately getting a claim paid out and I think another valuable aspect of attorneys aside from being able to kind of connect you with the right people to get you feeling better is dealing with all of that so I wanted to get into that aspect of it when once you got through all of your medical treatment and it was kind of time for negotiations and things like that from your perspective how did it feel i don't even know like how much you really even thought about the fact that oh I'm not the one actually having to deal with all this oh easy re oh my gosh praise praise God that's like literally and that again it was just another great benefit of like I don't have like my only focus and I remember calling you a couple times and again being concerned about certain things and you were like you focus on getting better like that's it just get whatever treatments you need focus on your health make sure you're not in pain i got the rest and I think like after maybe the 15th time of him telling you that I was just like you know what i'm really happy you're saying that because I I say that to clients today people will call and they're after the first initial call they'll call back and they'll remember things they're like "Oh you know like this person I don't think they were paying attention and I think maybe they did it on purpose or something like that." I'm like "Hey don't worry about any of that stuff i've got that part covered the only thing you need to do is focus on your health." Literally there's nothing that you're there's no information that you're going to give me that's gonna it's not like a matlock case i've I've got that part covered i've got the police report we've got the E911 transcript i've got the dash cam and the body cam footage that's covered you focus on getting better and it's literally the best thing you could also do because if ideally we want you to feel better if you don't that does change the case value if there's not improvement we need to make sure that whatever that your physicians have prescribed or what their whatever their orders are those orders are being fulfilled so that we understand what the final prognosis is exactly earlier you had mentioned you're like you know I wasn't thinking about fee percentages cuz I didn't even know what it was worth and I didn't want to interrupt you but what I was going to say at that time was full transparency i didn't know either no nobody knows so you won't know until the end yeah so how do you guys determine that it's after we have the injury diagnosis so that first week when you call you had gone to the urgent care and you were referred out to a clinic but there was no MRI there's no diagnostic imaging we didn't see what the the the injury diagnosis wasn't there like in terms I think at that time at the urgent care if I remember correctly they had like cervical sprain or cervical strain was the diagnosis but then after you got diagnostic imaging you had some disc bulges right i did yeah so that's that's a completely different case valuation a cervical sprain versus a disc bulge and then the disc bulges they have different measurements like how much is it bulging out and the reason that that's important is because all of the nerves go down your spinal column and in between the vertebrae is the disc material that's what we're talking about the disc bulge that's the soft stuff so when the vertebrae is squeezed and that disc material comes out if it touches a nerve it could be severe symptoms where you don't feel your fingertips or it could be mild symptoms of every now and again you'd have like a shooting pain down your hand or your fingertips would get tingly so it really depends on the injury diagnosis and then also how it's affecting you subjectively you could have you and Holly could have the same exact injury diagnosis but different symptoms and different lifestyles and it would have different case values well that's interesting great segue because and I don't remember what you were doing at that time but Sor is in the music industry and as part of her job she has to attend a lot of shows so she's on her feet a lot she's just mobile all day versus if you have a desk job it's a completely different valuation yeah because that's going to maybe put you out of work and actually let me ask you at the time were you were you working i had three jobs at the time wow jeez yeah i had three different jobs i was in radio i was assisting a photographer which is what I was doing that day that's a lot of like standing on my feet and holding up like a light stick and all that good stuff um and I also had a I guess you could call it a desk job and there was at no point in time was I ever at ease in any of again sitting hurt because of my bulging disc probably because I'm obviously in that L-shape and it's bulging out even more um in radio there's a lot you know I am going to concerts I'm going to events I'm lifting heavy equipment I'm standing on my feet for hours at a time and same thing with the photographer um so it was not a fun it was not a not a fun year and change until I like really got into some PT yeah so when you ask about case valuation at that first initial phone call none of this stuff is known so as you go and he's talking about like having those diagnosis and from the insurance company side they have a dollar value that correlates with each of those diagnosis so it's very important that people get their medical treatment documented correctly and make sure like you're touching on every single thing because that's what's really going to build it i also want to touch on there's obviously a caveat right if you're in a catastrophic accident right it speaks for itself yeah sure but when you know when you start getting into a little bit of the minutia of maybe a rear end of collision where as you already said you thought you walked away fine that's when it really starts to become a little bit more um of an art the sinister part of all of this is that the insurance companies they've got decades of data about injuries like this they know that that rear end collision that you were involved in know the kind of damage it can cause but when they catch you on the phone and they're like "Oh my gosh I'm so sorry this happened i hope everything's okay." Social norms you're like "Yeah I'm fine thanks for asking." They're like "Okay how about you know for your troubles we'll pay you $1,000 close this out." They're not doing that because they're your friends they're trying to stop the bleeding on their end because they know that if you wait if you get diagnosed further down the road and you realize what the true damages are that's the part that really bothers me it's a business they have to turn a profit but it sure seems like a nasty nasty way to turn a profit yeah and again that's kind of another benefit of having you guys in my corner it was because like I probably would have folded let you call me and I don't like confrontation like okay you want to give me $1,000 sure should I film you yeah did you want to give me your routing number um off like No no no it's okay no so it's it was good to have you i mean yeah to sit there and you you again you know the backends of everything so like again you know that they're calling me to settle essentially as minimally as possible to me I I would have probably felt like that's so sweet of them right they're such good neighbors yeah like a good neighbor i feel like I'm in good hands and that going back to your point of people think that the attorney is taking a piece of a settlement that they would have had in either way well that's just simply not true i mean again if if it's a cat I don't even know if it's a catastrophic accident like what the insurance would pay out like would they pop policy limits it depends on the policy if it's a catastrophic accident and it's the Georgia state minimum of 25,000 sure they're definitely popping it cuz they don't want to expose themselves it's a liability yeah if it goes to trial in litigation then it really blows up but if it's a million-doll policy even in catastrophic case we've got cases on on file right now where it they're pretty bad and you would think that they're they would jump at the opportunity to pay out a million dollars they're always looking for a way out they're always looking for a way out they don't want That's their bottom line is to pay less and I think that's where attorneys get demonized when people are like "Oh they're taking a percentage which but I don't understand that sorry not to cut you but to to me like you guys are the experts like why would we not want you guys to like I I had a conversation not too long ago about something very similar like somebody's very upset about like oh how much are they going to take and I was like why does that matter to you at the end of the day you probably are going to walk away with more money if you are even money driven in this matter like you are going to walk away with more money than you probably would have without yourself or on your own but also like these people have they they've studied the law they know the law they are great at arguing so pay them like why not well I appreciate you saying that but you're you're absolutely right about this aspect on in terms of their their net is going to end up more i have this conversation with people on intake calls where I get pulled in because they're essentially shopping based on rates and they'll say that they've called a firm and the firm said that they'd only take 25% and I tell them with complete confidence I was like "Listen our our rate at a third I could add another 10% to our fee and you will still end up with more money in your pocket than the 25% fee firm because it's not again they have the paradigm that the case value is set on that phone call so now they're with that frame of mind they're trying to see who takes the least percentage mhm the reality is is that you if you find an expert that case value gets driven up and you can pay more and still end up with more in your own pocket 100 and I actually have a real life story about that again I I was in a car accident in college i was a passenger i wasn't involved like but again yet again another four or five car uh collision on the highway and I would actually say this one was probably worse than the one that I was personally in because the the car was totaled and I remember days after I mean my body was just aching and sore again i did not know any better so the insurance company did call me and I think they offered me like maybe $800 wow and I was just like "Sure it's great i'm a college student." Yeah yeah that's a long way yeah in that example you you got 100% of the money right in my mind right what I know now I'm like we could have added a couple zeros yeah like maybe one more well that's another great segue into once you finally got your settlement kind of what was your reaction internally how did you feel about the whole process like once it was all said and done you got that check what were your thoughts i think I wrote a raving review you did i remember cuz I just I it was it was really and truly I'm not just saying this it was like really life-changing when I finally was done with the whole process I was just like I can't believe I haven't been doing this i'm kidding no it's not about the money it really was like I was just very happy that I was able to get my body back to a place where I could not be in pain 100% of the time i was happy with my settlement i was happy that your kids could go to college i was um just overall though I was just like it it felt good to go through a process one learn about it but two like my focus really was just on me getting better and knowing I had a team of people that were like behind me and supporting me and dealing with the stuff that I did not want to not only that I didn't want to deal with but I wasn't educated enough to deal with it independently so I really appreciate you saying that that's it sounds like a sales pitch so I'm happy you're saying it because you you lived it so that's a real experience we pride ourselves at the firm it's sort of like the at the core of what we believe one it it does feel like a fight to me every day that's why I never get bored of it because it's like this fundamental ideology of like hey we were just talking about it before i know you're a private company and you need to make a profit but you're doing it in a sinister way so if you believe you're fighting evil it's really easy to always stay motivated but at the core of what we do is we always say we take care of you when you receive any of our clients they receive a check when they receive that check that is net net net they put that check in their pocket and they walk away and there's nothing else they have to worry about with the entire incident the ordeal there are firms out there and I know this because clients have come to us after the fact that they don't handle a lot of the medical bills they don't handle a lot of the leans and the expenses you were talking about leans before you didn't know that was a thing shout out to the doctors that provide health care on leans which is essentially like an accounts receivable if not for that there are people that could would never be able to achieve health care they they couldn't rehabilitate they could get no therapy so another aspect of insurance companies trying to demonize medical clinics that will literally help people on an accounts receivable like between these two entities who's the bad guy here yeah you know what I mean they're like "Oh you're you're giving out healthcare to so you could bill us later." They're giving healthare like what what the [ __ ] is wrong with you they have developed this mindset that all of this should be free like you should you shouldn't have to pay for those things but you should pay for our premiums but you should pay for our pre stop spending money on your health and your um legal guidance and counsel and just give us that money and that's what pretty much what they're doing with the Tory reform right now too yeah that's exactly it but I love to hear I've personally never actually had to go through the process of being a personal injury client so every time I think about it like really go through the process of like what this must be like i'm like that to me is so cool it always is awful to go through a car accident and to experience that kind of injury but I also think it's really cool that you got to have over a year of treatment which I I'm sure from your end was daunting but like you got a year of medical treatment and in the end you walked away with probably more money than you would have been offered considering you were offered $800 in your prior accident which was worse and if you hadn't had an attorney that wouldn't have been possible yes in a lot of ways i mean I'm not saying that you wouldn't have gotten treatment or any kind of but maybe not to that extent i don't think I would have i think I would have just been like "Oh a couple chiropractic visits here and there and because again I had a bulging disc i like I would have never gotten an MRI you wouldn't have even known i wouldn't have even known i would have just been suffering through the pain." And that would last your entire life and only worth it yeah and and honestly I probably from previous car accidents I probably that is probably why that statement right there where you literally just admitted without an attorney you probably wouldn't have gotten the treatment that's the insurance company wants that and and they'll take it they'll try and spin it and say "Well the the attorney really like drove you to go and get No you you were injured you were feeling it you just didn't know what to do the attorneys helped you get the help that you needed but it cost the insurance company money and that's why they don't like it right which makes sense if I was them I'd probably be Matt too but Sure yeah but but again doing their job yeah I know right oh you know agreed i think that attorneys you know we we know that you guys are here to help us but I think that we're there's just a stigma around it which and again having been through the process again I'm just kind of like why did again why didn't I do this sooner we have representatives in the state of Georgia when tort reform was going on these are elected officials and they were talking about plaintiffs they were referring to plaintiffs as rent seekers and they were talking about scummy billboard attorneys i mean there's a reason why the stigma exists the stigma exists because the people with money the the they that don't want us to win they make it this way ambulance chasers uh you're they say that the insurance premiums are increasing because of claims well we're we're about to find out tort reform has passed and they're they're about to tighten up what claim values are we'll see two years from now three years from now did insurance rates did insurance premiums go down or not who's really profiting is it people that are injured and making claims or is it your stock that's publicly traded where we could see how much your shareholders are earning on a quarterly basis it's ridiculous always very passionate about this subject rightfully so it gets under my skin because it seems like it's such an easy fight to win but it always feels like an uphill battle it is and you know I will say not every attorney is created equal we know yeah yeah I think that we've got an amazing team and I appreciate you coming on and sharing so many kind words and I'm sure you know maybe there's a part of it that's biased because we've known each other for so long but I truly truly believe in what this team does and I think there are definitely people out there that I personally wouldn't want to work with so I get it i understand if you have hesitations or maybe somebody has worked with an attorney prior and didn't have a good experience so they might say from firsthand experience like I wasn't treated well with my attorney but there's good people out there really good people out there and I think it's a shame to let either the stigma that's painted by insurance companies or otherwise or a bad experience divert you from trying to work with a good attorney because once you work with a good attorney like there's no turning back you were it's and I think the part that insurance companies and a lot of big corporate powers that be like don't want to happen is people to feel empowered and I think having an at a good attorney on your side empowers you beyond belief and so of course they don't want that but they don't want to see us win they don't want to see they don't see us win any of us yeah yeah again I'm very fortunate to like know you guys on a personal level and I I don't think that my case was treated any differently than any of your other clients like I do believe that you guys provide the best service to all of your all of uh your clients but yeah I can definitely say like I 10 out of 10 recommend so much so that again when when I hit a I mean when the Chick-fil-A pole hit me I called up like hello popped out of nowhere yeah like hey um I got hit again you're never going to believe this you know what I want your kids to go to college i love I love that you have the mentality now you know because that's understanding your rights that's understanding the that's the empowerment we're talking about right like not everyone's going to be a win or a you have a case but it's fantastic that you're even thinking that way because that's how everybody should feel not just about personal injury about anything related to law yeah it's like even if I have like protection I feel like even if it happens again which I hope it doesn't but even if it does it's like I know I know I'm in good hands and I'm being well protected even if it's not us I think the most valuable thing for you is that having gone through the process you know how that process works god forbid if something ever happens to me or the firm's not here you know what to look for now you know what that system is like you know that the commercials that you see that say that you're on your side you know that that you now know that to be false and I think that's one of the most important things to experience um with a good law firm so that you know what the process should look like exactly and I want to wrap up on one thing and I'm going to give you the last word but I want to wrap up on one idea that I really appreciate you appreciating our firm and I thank you for sharing your experience and I'm happy that you had mentioned that it was life-changing money for you that money you deserved every single penny of it none of that was like a windfall it wasn't a a lottery hit you went through trauma you went through injury the purpose of that money the legal concept is literally compensatory damages it is to compensate you to try and put you in that position that you were one minute before the accident occurred and I'm sure if you thought about it on the front end like if you're leaving today you're about to walk outside and you knew I have a conversation with you and I'm like "Hey when you go outside um there's a dollar amount that you can have so that when you go outside you're going to be in pain for the next 18 months and you're going to have to go through all this therapy what is that dollar figure what can I pay you?" You probably wouldn't have that number or if you did it would be astronomical right and that's what one misconception of both what the insurance industry tells people and also what auto accident victims might think or people that don't want to bring a claim and it's personal injury attorney's faults for advertising this way uh there's a somebody in Georgia that advertises like it's a casino jackpot it's awful it's I I hate it it's the wrong way to advertise it it's it's the absolute wrong message it's not even what the legal concept is every single one of those dollars that people receive they deserve every single dollar because they went through something none of it is a windfall i just wanted to share that no no I definitely agree and I I did use my money i continued treatments afterwards and things like that so it it was I I didn't feel like I necessarily hit the lottery and like oh I'm go splurge but it was just like a this is something I'm going to use to continue maintaining my health yeah even in catastrophic cases where they're tens of millions of dollars that's not the the situ when you look at the victim the situation that they're dealing with and their family members are dealing with it's priceless mhm it's barely begins to be fair so I don't these notions of nuclear verdicts I don't buy it at all i don't buy into that at all sid thank you so much for joining us thank you guys for having me is there anything that you feel like we didn't touch on today that you would like to share with our listeners no no i again I think I said it all definitely recommend you guys but aside from recommending you guys I think the process of uh going through a car accident getting seeking treatment and then the aftermath of the fight you know it was very educational um and I always appreciate you guys for having my back and educating me most importantly educating me throughout the process and and the communication was always really great too that's awesome to hear i really really appreciate your time i appreciate your friendship we love you thank you for coming on attorney Holly is there anything that you have to say in wrapping up no thank you so much for being here thanks for having me i hope everybody hears her and use her as a resource she knows she knows a lot about the process now yeah that's great on that note if uh anybody well if any of our female listeners would like to join what is it once a month it's the women's empowerment experience that's right sponsored by the auto accident attorneys group i host it at my home and it's a female centered learning experience really more than anything we have um each session a woman leads and she basically educates the group on typically what her profession is so I led with auto accidents um we had a pelvic floor therapist uh teach us all things uh pelvic floor therapy and last time we had physicians assistant who does aesthetic medicine we're going to be covering topics like wills and estates real estate accounting um we include the fun stuff styling jewelry but it's all just ways to expand our minds be resources for each other networking opportunity and just feel empowered in all ways what's that uh social media handle it is u we'll we'll include it in the caption we Well listeners and mom I love you so much hi thank you for listening tune in for the next episode as always if you could drop a like drop a comment share this material with your friends anyone that could find it useful we'd appreciate it help me take care of you all right everybody take care bye