Title: The BEST Mattress for Back Pain & Injury Recovery | A Guide from a Mattress Expert
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[Music] Welcome back to another episode of the Auto Accident Attorneys podcast brought to you by the AutoAcctorneys Group. I'm your host, attorney Ali. I always try to bring you content to help take care of you because that is what the firm's pitch line is. We take care of you at the Auto Accident Attorneys Group. Even though we only handle auto accident cases, this podcast is about so much more. You guys have learned about optometry to learning tips from arborists. Today I have a very dear friend of mine, Mr.

Matthew Wolf, and today we're going to be talking about mattresses. You're probably wondering why mattresses. Well, stay tuned and you'll find out why. Matthew, so thank you so much for coming in. >> Um, Matthew Wolf from Mattress Lux. >> Y, >> please introduce yourself to our listeners. >> Happy to. Yeah. So, uh, as said, I'm Matt, uh, Matt Wolf of Mattress Lux and, um, man, it all started about 20 years ago. >> I told you poor me. >> I'm sorry. But, uh, yeah. So it it honestly the the journey for me into mattress is was 20 years ago but uh mattress lux was only about five and a half years ago and um my passion has always been helping people uh my passion has always been helping people in this particular case sleep better or find the right support that's right for them and um uh about five and a half years ago I had a conversation with my wife because I was traveling all over the country I was doing seminars on sleep stages of sleep how to fit people for the right mattress.

Uh before that, I was building and designing uh mattress lineups for national manufacturers and stuff like that. And I was traveling like crazy and I told my wife, I said, I don't want to wake up uh 80 years old and having only climbed the corporate ladder. Uh I really want to focus uh on know my family. I want to focus on my local church. I want to focus on missions. And so we had actually decided to quit the mattress industry because it either involved like long retail hours or travel. And so uh my dad said, "No, just do it yourself but do it better." >> Dad's always no.

>> Dad's no, man. So I so five and a half years ago we started Mattress Lux with the intention of uh really buying myself some time uh to focus on those three things but also take all the knowledge that I've consumed over the last 20 years and be a light in the industry. Um if you've ever shoed for a mattress you probably know how annoying it is, how hard it is because there's a thousand white rectangles. They all look the same. They all feel different. Uh most places will change the names on you everywhere you go.

So it just becomes very difficult to find one that's right for you. And so one of the reasons we named the company mattress Lux is because Lux means light. >> So it's not just a play on luxury, but the Lux means light. So we want to be a light in the industry. Uh we want to serve people. We want to educate people. Uh we tell everyone that we'll help you find the right mattress for you even if it's not one of ours. And so that's that's just how we want to do business. And now the listeners are getting a little bit of insight as to why you're today's guest.

Uh it falls right in line with our mission of taking care of people. I know you personally. I've known you for a long time. I know what a great dancer you are. >> Used to be. >> I'm sure I I've seen your your social media post. You still got it. >> I got it like the way a 45year-old man has it. But you are uh you truly are dedicated to taking care of others. Um you've referred people to our firm, which I really appreciate. Uh we we take care of them, >> not just because that's what we do, but also when they're referred by you.

I know that your principle and ideas of of life. So I I mimic that to take care of them. >> Staying on theme, taking care of people, we're talking about mattresses today. Stay with me. You're going to appreciate this. What do people not consider that they should be considering before we get into the injury side? Yeah. >> When you're just going in to purchase a mattress, how come they shouldn't just walk into Costco and and get the mattress that's on on that shelf and and put it on that big crate >> or or maybe who should be doing that?

>> Sure. So, um mattresses are highly personal and I think people forget that. I think that's probably the first thing people uh misunderstand, which is why they look to reviews. Uh, you know, going to review sites to determine what mattresses are right for me is like trying to go to review site and figure out what color is right for my room. It's it's highly personal and and that's because we're all different heights. We're all different weights. We're all different shapes. And so, you can't just determine what mattress to buy based off what someone else did, which means you have to try it, right?

Uh that's why it's harder to buy online. Uh most online companies have a 50% return rate >> on comfort because or support because they bought it sight unseen. You go into Costco or Sam's, you can't try it, >> right? >> So the price might be great. Um, but that even if the price was really low, that's that's dollars wasted if it doesn't support your spine, if it doesn't produce the proper rest, and if you don't get the sleep you need, you know, I'd rather spend thousands on a mattress that I get good rest on than waste $600 on one I hate, >> right?

So, I think the biggest thing that people need to consider is that mattress shopping is very personal and there's no salesperson on the planet that can tell you what mattress to buy because they don't know you that well. And so, that's one thing we do differently. We don't tell people what to buy. We teach them how to buy. >> Let's pretend. So, we tie it into injury. I do suffer from um either a lower back injury or a cervical spine injury. A lot of our clients are rearended in auto accident cases. >> Yeah.

>> In auto accidents and not cases. >> Yeah. >> The case doesn't rearend them. >> The case helps. >> Yeah. But uh one of the biggest problems that I see time and time again or when they're calling whether they're talking to somebody in the office or sharing with their attending physician that they can't get rest. >> Uh they're it's sleepless. They're they're uncomfortable. What sort of when you're dealing with a neck or back injury, what sorts of qualities are you looking for? How how do you pick >> when you're looking for rest at night, right?

You're looking for something that's going to support your weight and distribute it evenly across the bed. And so, uh, you're looking for support in the right places when you try a mattress, and you're looking to not feel support in the wrong places. And so, every body has peaks and valleys. Uh so we want the valleys to be supported and we want the peaks to be cushioned, >> right? Um that's the best way for a mattress. We call that conforming, right? Want to conform to the shape of the body. Uh think about this.

If I had a button and uh if I push this button and we all just started floating, right? We would all float in the most ergonomic uh position possible and there'd be no stress on the joints. There'd be no stress on the vertebrae. Uh everything would just be even. Now, we wouldn't necessarily float like a pencil, right? Knees would be bent, right? Uh or there'd be the natural arch in our spine. There'd be the natural arch in our neck. Uh if you have scoliosis, right, that natural arch is going to be resting in its natural position.

So, we want a natural spinal alignment. And so the way to get that is to find a mattress that's going to support the right areas with the valleys and and let the peaks of the body just settle into the bed so that we can get that more of that floating type of sensation. And so that's why the mattress that does that for George isn't going to do that for Ali or Ali for Matt. Everyone's so different. >> So it's not necessarily cuz in my mind I'm thinking of you know like they sell the mattress toppers that are like foam.

Yeah. So, it's not necessarily that it's it's foam because the foam may not be right for but I don't know if it's better if it's heavier or lighter. But in my example, if you're lighter, maybe the foam is better, but if you're heavier, that's not going to work. Is it is it less about the uh material and more about the particular individual and the materials will vary based on that person's need. >> Absolutely. So the the quality of the materials will determine how long the mattress lasts, but the combination of materials and there's different technologies and then you start getting into customer preference.

Do they like to have the mattress kind of slowly sink or have a lot of buoyancy? And that's that's kind of neither here nor there to your question. It's more so just a preference at that point. >> Um but there's there's five things that a mattress can really do to disrupt your sleep. And so we're talking about rest, right? someone's in pain, they need to they're in pain before they go to bed, right? So, they need a mattress that's going to take that pain and just ease it so they can fall asleep. Um, that's where just support comes in, right?

But then there's also pressure relief. We need to take something that's going to take pressure off the body. So, if you have a shoulder injury and you're a side sleeper, what do you do? Right? And so, you need something that's going to take that pressure off the shoulder so that it can u not cause too much pain there. And then the real answer is that we sleep in stages, >> right? And so once we go through the stages of sleep, it's really the stages three and four where healing takes place. And so yeah, we need rest so that we can heal, >> right?

And that's where healing takes place. Um, if you think about everything from a sprained ankle to a cut to a back injury to a neck in neck neck injury, all of that's going to heal at a more rapid pace once we get into stages three of uh of deep sleep, >> right? It's not necessarily that the mattress uh helps you heal. This the mattress is helping you to get to a stage of sleep so that your body can naturally heal when you when you get that rest. What I'm hearing is that your uh body is able to repair itself.

It I've actually heard that sleep helps reduce inflammation, but you have to get into that deep, like you said, stage three and stage four, >> right, >> of the sleep cycle in order for your body to start healing itself like that. >> Yeah, absolutely. Stage three is where the body heals. Stage four is where the mind heals like the >> Oh, so stage three is everything like physiological. So things that would occur necessarily in an auto accident, >> right? >> Uh we want as much of that stage three. Now you can't just hang out in stage three and control that >> and not go to four.

But yeah, so stage three is where the body heals and stage three is where the your memory is healed, your cognitive function, uh your uh you know turning short-term memory to long-term memory. Um, even muscle memory, you know, a new golf swing that you learned the day before gets stored away into uh into the memory banks uh in stage four sleep. And the kicker is is that you've got to go through uh a cycle about five or six times a night. And so if your spine's out of alignment, then that's actually going to disrupt that cycle and keep you in light sleep.

Uh if you have too much pressure on the shoulders and hips, that's going to disrupt the cycle. If you have uh too much heat being trapped in the bed, that's going to uh interrupt the cycle. If you feel your partner move, that's going to interrupt it. And if you have a lot of dust mites and allergens in the bed and you can't breathe, that's going to disrupt it. Outside of that, obviously, there's things like, you know, acid reflux and snoring. But yeah, >> that's definitely me, that part of it. I didn't >> say is a killer.

>> Well, the funny thing about snoring is uh what do they say? It's like the similarities between death and being stupid. It doesn't affect you. It's the the ones around you. The snoring doesn't affect me. The ones around me. >> Well, it does though because if you're not breathing well, it's might be keeping you out of deep sleep. >> Right. >> But yes, >> it doesn't wake me up though. >> But it doesn't wake you up. You at least are none the wiser. >> Right. Precisely. Do you know what the the physical manifestation of you were talking about the dust mites and not being able to breathe.

Do you know what how that physically manifests? Like how >> Yeah. Do you really literally are unable to obviously you don't choke, but right what's it look like? >> It's more like um waking up with a stuffed nose in the middle of the night, >> right? So you're stuffy. Um maybe you have a sore throat and then it's gone by noon. You're like, "Oh, I thought I was sick." >> Yeah. >> Right. It could be allergens. Uh you could have a dustmite allergy and dust mites love uh sweat and mildew and dead skin cells and all that just gets soaked up like a sponge in your mattress and so that's why mattress protectors are so important but they keep all that out.

>> Is a mattress protector uh does that affect the sleep cycle? Because in my mind when you tell me mattress protector, I'm I'm imagining like a huge Ziploc bag over a mattress, >> what what does that look like? >> Yeah. So, a mattress protector can look like a huge Ziploc bag. And those are the worst ones. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, a mattress protector, I always tell people you should think of it as like a silent little ninja just protecting your mattress. You forget he's there. Like the good ones. So, they're thin, they're breathable, uh they're washable, and they have a lot of stretch and flex to them so that you almost forget they're there.

>> Okay. Uh, but they're waterproof. Um, so if you're familiar with Goretex, it's a very similar material to Goretex. So, it allows for air to circulate through it, but no moisture and so it keeps all that out of your mattress. Uh, keeping it completely healthy, free from mold, mildew, dust mites. Uh, because people are gross. We sweat a lot even while we sleep. >> Yeah. >> I liken it to telling people, imagine wearing the same t-shirt every day for 10 years and never washing it. >> That's your mattress.

That makes sense. >> Without a protector, that's your mattress. You're you're using for 6 to eight hours. >> What about a mattress that let's say somebody has has found the mattress that they love. They've had it for a year. They're like, I don't want to get rid of it, but it it is full of dust mice. They have a a mattress protector. What is there a solution for them? Is there a way? No, I'm just kidding. Um >> it's done. It's over. >> It's over. >> Uh no, you can get a mattress protector at that point. Yeah.

And it just whatever dust mites are in there traps them in. They die and they don't get to you. >> Oh, so it works that way as well. It doesn't let it come up to the surface >> and the allergies don't come up. >> Right. And then you eliminate their food source and then they die away. >> I see. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. So, >> thanks for that little piece of dad advice. >> Absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, I've actually had people not buy mattress based off that advice and we're happy to do that. We're not here to, you know, just get people's money.

We're here to help people. Like you say, >> we take care of them. >> We take care of people. >> Is there uh is there any sort of cleaning? Are you familiar with that part of it? Like do you >> cleaning a mattress? >> Yeah. >> Um there's really no really good way to clean a mattress because it's so usually the what's going on is so deep beneath the surface. >> Um I've heard of some home remedies of like um baking soda or baking powder. Sprinkle that on top and let it sit for a few hours. >> Just the baking soda itself.

>> Yep. And then vacuum it out. Okay. >> And that pulls that can pull some things with it. And um obviously need a really good strong vacuum. Don't use anything with a lot of moisture obviously because that'll break the foams down. >> I see. >> So it has to be some sort of dry cleaning. >> Got it. All right. So staying in line with that theme of uh people that have suffered acute injury and they are uh whether they're rehabilitating or they're going to have pain in perpetuity. Are there particular types of mattresses that have like different zones of u firmness or zones of give that are specifically for let's say somebody suffers from a lumbar spine injury in the lower back?

>> Yeah. Are there particular mattresses that are manufactured for that type of thing specifically? >> It's almost as if I gave you the questions to ask. >> I didn't. I promise. No. Yeah. Mattresses are really uh going heavily into zone supports. Um a lot of our beds, for example, and and not just ours, but a lot of mattresses out there have a uh like a nested coil in the center third for better thoracic support. Um or they'll put thicker gauge coils in the center third. >> Thoracic is the middle of the spine.

So cervical is neck, lumbar is lower back. Thoracic is the middle. >> Yep. Thank you, sir. Yep. Like where your basically where your rib cages is. Rib rib cage is and just below the rib cage. That's your kind of your thoracic region >> and then that's where you're getting that's where most of our weight is when we lay down. So that's why it's good to have that support. So whether you have a back injury or not, that's where you want the vast majority of your support is right there. Uh some are putting firmer foams in the center third of the bed.

U so certainly zoning is huge. Uh and then you have um bases that go underneath the mattress uh that can raise and elevate your feet which can rotate the pelvis and decompress the spine and allow for some more support. Uh you can raise the head to help with acid reflux or breathing. But then they also have some of them with a lumbar support. So you can actually have a little additional button that raises the center third of the bed to give additional support whenever you need it. Yeah. So there's a lot of options there.

>> So this is the mattress that you're talking about right now is is a I guess it's not the mattress itself. It's the base that that you can control and adjust. >> Yeah. >> How the mattress moves. >> Yeah. Absolutely. So you have um it's called an adjustable base, right? For obvious reasons. You can adjust the head. You can raise the feet. You can, and some of them you can adjust the center third of the bed for lumbar support. Uh some are familiar with like the headrest tilt in your car. You can adjust just the head portion when you're sitting up.

So whether you want to read or watch TV or you just, you know, you suffer from taco Tuesday like I do and you want to prop the head up to keep the indigestion down, uh, or you just, you know, you hit the leg day a little hard in the gym one day, you want your feet elevated that night to take the pressure off your knees, um, you know, people with ankle injuries, I'm assuming, uh, can happen in car accidents as well. Oh, I mean, if just elevating your feet um can help get some of that blood like rushed out of the feet back towards the heart, too.

It slows the heart rate down, but takes pressure off the ankle. Uh knee injuries. I know uh a plethora of uh consumers who are coming in to buy adjustable bases because they're about to have knee surgery and they want that >> for when their surgery is complete. >> Yeah. Can you use any mattress with an adjustable base or are there manufacturers specifically making mattresses for those? >> So almost every mattress nowadays, I would say a healthy 90% are being made adjustable friendly because of how popular they've become.

So it's it's changed the industry quite a bit. >> I see. >> Yeah. If I'm sitting at home and uh I'm wondering whether I need to assess whether I need a mattress or not, obviously everyone nobody's conscious of it. You you go to sleep, you wake up, it's there. If there's no blood or urine on it, you're not thinking about it, right? >> Sure. some what I'm getting at is when should somebody be considering um a change in their mattress? >> Sure. I mean, to your point, I think a lot of people treat their mattress a lot like tires.

Like, I'm just not going to change the tires until I see why you're showing. >> Right. >> Right. >> That's what I meant. >> Right. You have to be poked in the rear end by a coil at some point and then Right. And that's because mattresses I think people misunderstand just how valuable they are. Like we talked at the beginning in regards to our rest or sleep or health. Um but not necessarily everyone needs to replace their mattress right now. So I tell everyone there's usually about three things I look for when it's time to replace your mattress.

Maybe four. Number one, um are you waking up stiff or sore? All right. And then gone by noon. Right? Right? If you're waking up really stiff or sore neck or lower back, uh shoulders or hips, and then realize it's just in the mornings, probably a support issue while you're sleeping, >> uh if you're waking up um two to three times a night consistently, like you're always waking up around like midnight and then two and then three and then you're but you're able to go back to sleep, but you're constantly coming out of your sleep two to three times a night or more.

probably time to get a new bed. At that point, something's happening to fracture that cycle. So, you're waking up too much. Uh, and then, um, number three is you just feel like you want something new, right? Sometimes you're like, I'm I'm sick of firm. I don't want anymore. I want soft. Or you just want to change your technology up. >> Yeah. >> But if you're not if you're not waking up throughout the night, you know, you're you're dreaming, you're remembering your dreams, you're not waking up with any pain, keep rocking, right?

Especially if you have a mattress protector. If you don't have a mattress protector, then I I would say yeah, 8 to 10 years is just a good solid deadline. Uh because your mattress can double in weight in like 10 years just from dead skin cells, dust mites, and sweat. It's pretty gross. So >> double in weight. Yeah, >> that's really gross. >> That's a lot. Yes. And so um it can it depends on the person and how much they sweat. >> Yeah, mine's definitely going to be double. I'm really interested about this mattress protector.

Now, I have a hard time putting on a fitted sheet. >> Yeah. >> So, now I'm wondering how much how often do you have to wash the mattress protector cuz I I got to imagine that's a a feet in itself. >> It's not It's like washing your sheet. It's like a fitted sheet. So, you don't have to get the full zip on one. It goes on like a fitted sheet, too. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. They have some that zip all the way up. And that's really only if you are concerned with bed bugs. Um so, dust bed bugs are not the same. >> Yeah.

And so, um, yeah, so you can just get one that's like a fitted sheet. And honestly, I have a little button on my base that just raises the head and feet up. So, I just tuck the corners like that and then I hit flat and everything's good to go. Or I should say my wife does. I try to help make the bed as often as I can, but you know, I'm busy guy over here. That may be the best sales pitch for an adjustable base. >> If you're not hurt or anything, just to make your life easier when you're changing the sheets.

>> I've sold bases that way to people who have aged out of lifting corners. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> They've aged out of the ability to lift the corner of the bed and they want something to raise the bed up so they can get the sheets on and off. It's It's worth every penny. What's the manufacturing like or like a useful life like for because now I'm thinking about all of the mechanical components of an adjustable base. What's that in the investment look like long term? >> It's actually probably more simple underneath that thing than you think.

It's not a lawn mower, right? It's it's not having um you know cylinders and combustion or anything like that. Yeah, literally just a push and release mechanism connected to a little computer or control box. So, there's not much to go wrong. Um, usually something goes wrong, it's in the first year. >> Mhm. >> And after that, it's as long as you don't do anything crazy to it, it's going to go forever and ever. It's a steel frame. It's just And it's uh like usually a nine ply like Russian birch poly or plywood.

Um, so it's it's probably the last foundation. Even if the mechanics stop working, it's the last foundation you'll ever need. It's just solid. >> I see. >> Um, if the mechanics stop working, it's plug and play. So, you just take one piece out, put another one, plug it in. Super simple. Um, but typically 10 to 15 years, some are up to 20 years of life >> on the base. >> On the base. Yeah. >> Okay. >> And so, some mattresses obviously the same. So, if you're if you're willing to make the investment and and that 10, 15 year, 20-year mattress uh and you have a mattress protector, then it can it can last that long.

And >> yeah. Um, and then it's less per year at that point when you consider inflation right nowadays. I mean, my goodness. Yeah. >> Since you mentioned that, I'm wondering, have prices changed? Not just inflation, but any like is there anything going on in the market right now or in the economy that's changed that that you've seen like in in terms of your supply chain and >> sure what your manufacturers are going through? >> Sure. Mostly in the adjustable vases. Um, all of our mattresses are made in the US.

So that's that's made it a lot easier to to weather the tariff storm. >> Mhm. >> But all of some of the adjustable bases are quickly switching manufacturing to Mexico. >> Some in Canada or they're trying to um but yeah, so we're we're navigating some of those price increases currently. >> So that's going on right now though. >> Yeah. >> So if you purchased last year, >> you got in. >> You saved money. >> You saved money. >> Yep. Well, listeners, we have a coupon code. Now, you may not be able to answer this, but what about the I'm I'm really into that like I don't know if it's a Japanese aesthetic, but that's what I associate in my mind where it's like really low to the ground.

>> Oh, yeah. >> Modern. Yeah. Uh do you know is there have have you based on your Japanese you do trade shows you go to conferences? Is there a have you seen a difference in the type of sleep that you get if it's if it's low versus like a really high match? I remember like in college >> there could be something mental to that for sure. I mean, honestly, everyone has their like proclivities to what they find comfortable. Like, um I know somebody who uh could not sleep because they felt they were going to fall off the bed.

It was too high >> and so they're just nervous. Um but yeah, no, I don't think outside of some sort of mental block, I don't think there's any benefit. >> I just I can't stop laughing because I could see the tears in your eyes. I thought it was a good question, gang. It >> was a great question. For all of you guys out there who um who know Ali personally, you know that these bursts of laughter are not rare. Usually when Ali and I hung out, we got like three words in every every 15 minutes of laughter in between.

So this is this is on par. >> Yeah, I'm I'm glad you shared that with them. They they only see me as the uptight guy, but is telling me to get uninsured motors protection, >> right? Oh, man. No, he's he's hilarious, y'all. >> Thank you for saying that. Um, all right. You earlier during the conversation, you said that a mattress I don't remember if you said a mattress should do five things or there's five things you should look for in a mattress. >> Yeah. So, there's five things you could put it this way.

We call it the five killers of a good night's sleep that your mattress could do. >> Okay. That's why when we're when you're shopping for a mattress, you want to try to avoid these five things. >> Can you share those five things? >> Yeah. So, the five things are uh number one is poor support, right? So, we want to have good weight distribution. We don't and then the second is pressure point. So, if we have too much pressure on the body, it cuts off circulation and then your brain doesn't like that. It keeps you in light sleep.

Uh the third thing is motion transfer. So, if you feel your partner moving the bed, that disrupts our sleep cycle. And then trapped heat is another one. if you're asleep too hot, right? If you find yourself with your foot out of the covers back in, out in all night, you're not not sleeping. Uh, and then the last one is allergens. And so those are the things your mattress can do. So like, but outside of that, there's also things like we talked about snoring, acid reflux, uh, sleep apnnea, which is just snoring times 10, right?

And then, um, like restless leg syndrome or just injuries that you bring to the mattress, >> right? So those are the all the things that can kill our sleep. And so we the most important things that we avoid poor posture with good posture. We have pressure relief. We have motion separation. Uh we have temperature management and we have allergen protection. And if we accomplish those five things that gives us our best shot of completing sleep cycles, uh getting more deep sleep, which at the end of that equals better cognitive function, better immune systems, uh better moods, right?

Our children are more obedient when they sleep better. We're better parents when we sleep better. Our marriages are improved when we sleep better. I mean, I don't think we understand just how tied sleep is to the quality of our life. I know how many times the best day of my life has started with a good night's sleep. And that doesn't mean the day went well. I just I was able to handle it well because I slept well. >> Right. >> Right. And vice versa. Great day ruined by bad sleep. >> Yeah. >> And so it's so vital.

There's actually medical literature that supports what you're saying and I agree. I've long been a proponent, my parents taught me this at a young age. Some of the simplest things for your body, sleep and water and literally like the simplest things, >> right? >> From there, obviously you can optimize, but what you're talking about in terms of the body's ability to heal itself and repair and reduce inflammation, >> lowering blood pressure, it's it's all coming from sleep. There's been studies of type two diabetes, which I think that's the kind you earn, right?

>> You just did, but can be can be regulated while you sleep. So like metab metabolizing blood sugar. >> This is going exactly how I thought it would go. >> Has anyone ever laughed this hard on your show before? No, >> we're just a bunch of goofballs in the mattress industry. Sorry. We don't take anything seriously >> except your sleep. >> Except your sleep. But yeah, like metabolizing even your blood sugars uh is really a big part of what your body's doing. And so they've they've actually tied type two diabetes to uh sleep deprivation.

>> Um not totally, but there's there's a connection. There's a correlation. >> There's a correlation. Yeah. um to even um uh so REM sleep is the that final stage where your brain is healing. So even things like depression, uh multiple personality disorders. I mean, we just have a few more minutes to get through. Do you want me to look away? We got You can't laugh when I'm talking. All right, we're good. We're collected. But yeah, um I mean this is serious though, right? I mean the amount of um like uh mental disorders that are connected to sleep dep [Music] here, Matthew, you you tell the listeners exactly why it's important.

I'm just going to drink my water and look at the camera here. It's all you. Okay. Ah, this is going to go viral, bro. >> The guys, I couldn't stop laughing. Um, so yeah. So, obviously what we're getting at is that sleep and health are so tightly correlated with each other. There was really good information and right now it's so not serious. just ex I thought I thought you had like two minutes of stuff in you. >> A tissue. >> This is this is you know they say like uh what whatever it is that you end up doing in life.

You you grow older and and and you accomplish these things when you are like associated back to people that you grew up with like when you were kids like you revert back. said, >> "I actually told Ashley and my wife about that." I said, "I I know what's going to happen. Ali and I are going to start hanging out and I'm immediately going to turn back into the guy I used to be. >> When are we going to hang out?" Same jokes. We're going to lose control and start laughing. I mean, I've I've prophesied this.

>> You did? >> Okay. I'm gonna ask you a serious question. I mean, not serious, but like >> I want Yeah, I want an actual answer. Is are there special types of I've got people in my life that suffer from scoliosis? >> Are there mattresses made for people that have that dis I don't it's called a disease, but >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's not a disease, but yeah, I know what you're saying. Uh, and unfortunately, no. But I do think there's ways for them to still find comfort. It's just a matter of one knowing like when someone comes in with scoliosis first question I ask is do you know which way it curves typically the way it curves is if they lay on that side it's more uncomfortable >> and so they require more pressure relief and so the conversation is really leaning towards do we want to find more pressure relief so you can keep sleeping on that side or do we want to go a little firmer and and just try to train yourself to sleep on the other side and I kind of just go based off of their cues.

>> I see >> from there. But yeah, typically someone with scoliosis needs something that's a little more pressure relieving because if it if it bends this way then that means that um the mattress's pressure on that part is going to kind of throw it out of alignment. >> Yeah. >> Faster. So it needs to be able to conform around that better. >> Yeah. >> And so I mean it just depends on the person. Some people said it's like a S. It goes both ways. >> Yeah. >> And so then I'm trying to encourage them to see if we can get them on their back because side sleeping is just too painful.

>> Right. That's a tough situation. Uh my sister's scoliosis isn't horrific, >> but it's enough where it disrupts her sleep and I'll see her when she comes into the office. Like you're not going to have a good day today, are you? >> You're not good rest. >> Um Yeah. So then you say but it is disrupting her sleep. >> Mhm. Okay. So then, yeah, I mean it could just be it could just be a support issue is like maybe if she's sleeping on the opposite side, then it needs she needs even more support in that area to kind of reach and support the spine so it's not pulling.

>> So if you think about it, if this is your mattress and this is your spine and you got this this gap right here, right on your side, there's that gap. >> Yeah. >> Then you need the mattress really to kind of fill that gap some way. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So if you have scoliosis, the gap gets even bigger. >> So now you need even more so the hips and shoulders get into the bed so you can come up and fill that gap. But if you switch sides, now you need that to go away. >> Right. >> Right. And so it's really about figure out what side are you going to sleep on.

>> Try to train yourself to stay there. >> I I can tell that you're you're on the verge of cracking and you keep looking at me. So I'm trying to keep a straight face so I don't crack. >> Dude, I'm I'm rock solid right now. I had like three questions to end up that I cannot recall just based off of the scoliosa conversation. Um, let's do this. Usually towards the end of the podcast, what I do is I I turn it over to the guest to share something where uh you feel like I didn't ask a question that I should have.

>> Um, or if there is a piece of I I love dad vice. I think that's some of the best content. >> Sure. >> Uh, anything that we we sort of address what people don't think about, but anything in that realm or if there's anything in your heart that you just feel like our listeners should should know about. Yeah, I would say I I touched on this a little bit earlier that the dad advice I have for mattress consumers, like if you're in the market to shop for a mattress, as much as I love consumer reviews, um don't buy it.

Like the reviews are so bought, >> uh the reviews are so paid for and most people buy at Hookline and Sinker and they come into our store pre-sold and sometimes I have to try to convince them. I find my time convincing that based off our process that we take you through um that may not be the right one for you and they end up wanting it anyways and then they return it, >> right? And so which is an arduous process. No one likes returning a mattress even if it's, you know, 100 night money back guarantee.

No one no one likes doing that. >> Yeah. So, I would say that um the the best person to tell you which mattress is right for you is you. You just have to try them and know what you're feeling for. So, um if you're going to pick a place and you don't you don't live anywhere near mattress lux, just make sure they know how to help you find the right one for you. >> What does that look like when you because you've said that even at the top of the podcast, you're like, you got to try it out. I've gone into a furniture store before or like a mattress store and I'll lay down.

I lay down just for a second and I'm like, "Okay." Like >> like the last one. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. They all feel the same. So that's the that's why I would say you need uh us, right? You don't need us to tell you what to buy. Again, I said So you need us to help you know how to buy. >> Mhm. >> And so like if you come into Mattress Lux, the first thing we're going to do is uh we actually break out a little skeleton like you see the chiropractor. Yeah. >> And we'll actually go through like the spine and where you should feel support and where you shouldn't.

>> And so we'll we'll show you on that spine where um like for back sleepers, if you feel a lot of support in your tailbone, you're probably not getting enough in your lumbar. >> Okay. So, you should feel almost no support in your tailbone and the vast majority of in your lumbar. So, now I'm now I'm thinking nuances to feel for, right? >> Yeah. Um, for all you sales people out there, you know that the power of suggestion is really powerful. And a lot of sales people use it uh and to their advantage and I use it to the consumer's advantage.

And so instead of giving you good things to feel for, I give you negative things to feel for. >> Okay? So that you know how to eliminate a mattress that's not going to work for you. And so it's more consumer focused that way. So when you lay after we go through we call them Mr. Bones. Okay? And after we go through Mr. bones presentation uh will pressure map you and on that pressure mapping machine it'll actually automatically find the support for you based off of your height, weight and shape. So it finds the right support.

Now that doesn't tell me anything but it shows you what proper support feels like. >> So now you've been educated in your head and in your body. So now when we start shopping, you're going to start to feel the differences between mattress A and mattress B and be able to make selections. >> I see. >> Okay. So, that's where we teach you. It's a we call it our Lux Fit process. It takes about seven minutes. Uh it's a six-hour seminar truncated down to seven minutes. Uh where we teach you just about everything you need to know so that you don't make a buying mistake and you don't spend a dollar more than you have to to get a really good night's sleep.

>> That's awesome. >> So, it's we bring science uh into it and we put a lot of power and control back into the consumer's hands. We um we tell everyone you're not going to be a mattress expert probably ever, but we can at least make you a mattress shopping expert. >> I love that. On that note, Matthew, why don't you tell us where we can get to how we can get to Mattress Lux? >> So, Mattress Lux is located in Kennesal, Georgia, uh right off of the intersection of Giles and Cobb Parkway in a public shopping center.

And uh we are, Lord willing, hope opening up some more stores soon. Um and who knows, maybe even franchising. So, if you want to open your own mattress, Alexa, that could be an opportunity down the road. >> That's awesome, Matthew. I love you, bro. >> Dude, love you, man. This is fun. Obviously, >> when the cameras go off, I'm I'm letting it all come. >> This has been great. Thank you so much for having me. I was uh super excited to be here. So, >> listeners, viewers, I hope you enjoyed today's episode. I hope you picked up some information on how to choose a mattress, see if uh you're going to be needing a mattress if you're going to be in the marketplace soon.

And one of my biggest take takeaways was the mattress protector. So, I'm 100% going to get that. Mom, you watch every episode, so I know you watch this. We're going to go mattress shopping together. I love you very much. Everybody, please like, share, comment, subscribe if you haven't. Take care. >> God bless.